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With less than a month before Michigan’s smoking ban goes into effect, the state isn’t sure who should enforce the law, and counties are warning it shouldn’t be them.

The impasse comes as the state is fielding hundreds of calls from owners of restaurants to pool halls, even hookah bars, looking for clarity on how to comply with what becomes law on May 1.

Michigan will become the 38th state to limit smoking in public places including government buildings, workplaces, bars and restaurants. Besides enforcement questions, there’s confusion over other aspects of the law, such as how big “no smoking” signs should be, whether charity events fall under the statute, the dimensions of outdoor smoking areas and who will monitor work forces.

Lawmakers are also getting resistance from veterans groups who want an exemption so they can light up in private clubs.

“What we have to do is figure out some details to make sure people are in compliance, and that we have a law people can follow,” said state Department of Community Health spokesman James McCurtis. The biggest aspect of the law facing state health officials is determining who will police establishments to ensure patrons don’t get away with sneaking a smoke.

“Most likely it will be the local health departments (enforcing the ban). It will fall into restaurant inspections (and) it will be complaint based,” McCurtis said.

“It’s not quite concrete, but I guarantee it will be concrete by May 1,” he added. “I’m sure some (local health departments) may be unhappy.”

Count Oakland County in that group.

Kathy Forzley, manager of the Oakland County Health Division, said if the county hears a business isn’t conforming, “Complaints will be referred back to the state.”

“With dwindling funding and trying economic times, implementing a new law without attached funding is very difficult,” she said. “That’s something we’re continuing to try and work out with the state.” Forzley could not estimate how much county officials think enforcement will cost.

Health department officials in Wayne and Macomb counties said they will enforce the smoking ban along with their regular restaurant inspection programs — but that could leave a gap for workplaces that don’t sell food or drink.

The law, signed in December, snuffs out smoking in workplaces and everywhere food and drink is served. Cigar bars, tobacco specialty stores, some home offices and motor vehicles are exempt. Detroit’s casinos can allow smoking on the gaming floors, but not in bars, restaurants and hotels.

Individuals or a business can be ticketed for violating the law, with fines of up to $100 for a first offense and up to $500 for additional offenses. Establishments that continue to break the law could ultimately lose their licenses.

McCurtis said the extent of a local health department’s enforcement responsibility — including whether it would be issuing the tickets or collecting the fines — has not been determined.

State officials plan to use education as the primary means of enforcement, and only issue tickets as a last resort, McCurtis said. “What we truly want from this is compliance,” he said. “We just want businesses to comply.”

So many questions

Golf courses, pool halls, restaurants, taverns and bowling alleys have questions about how to comply with the new law, said Andy Deloney, vice president of public affairs for the Michigan Restaurant Association, which opposed the ban.

Lawmakers “didn’t see the mountain of ice underneath the surface of the water,” Deloney said. “Where do the signs have to be posted? What about charity dinners? What about smokeless tobacco? That’s just a tip of the iceberg.”

According to the state: Signs must be posted at the entrances and exits of businesses and anywhere smoking is banned; smoking would not be allowed at charity dinners, and smokeless tobacco is included in the law’s definition of tobacco products.

Still, “Some things may have to be decided in the court of law because it’s going to be left up to interpretation,” McCurtis said.

For Michigan’s several hundred hookah proprietors and distributors, the law could drastically alter business.

Almost 200 hookah bar owners and operators, from Grand Rapids to Kalamazoo to Dearborn, attended a recent meeting sponsored by the American Arab Chamber of Commerce in Dearborn to try to clarify aspects of the law.

Hookah bar owners have to decide whether to become restaurants or apply for the tobacco specialty store license to become exempt from the law.

“People like to get together and smoke hookah,” said Akram Allos, owner of Sinbad Grand Café, a hookah bar in Dearborn. He said he plans to eliminate his cafe business and become a smoke shop, a decision that could endanger his family’s welfare and the livelihood of his eight employees.

“If I go with the rules and regulations, then I’m not in the food business ,” Allos said. “The profit that comes from food and drink isn’t much, but it pays the bills.”

Saying goodbye to cigars

Many of Metro Detroit’s private clubs plan to comply with the ban and prohibit smoking in their clubhouses come May 1. The Detroit Athletic Club, where smoking is part of a tradition, threw a Final Formal Cigar Night to bid farewell to cigar smoking.

At the Heathers Club in Bloomfield Hills, cigars also will be a thing of the past — it’s unlikely to generate at least 10 percent of its gross annual sales from on-site cigar sales as the law states, general manager Jeff Carley said.

Detroit’s three casinos, whose gaming floors are exempt from the ban, don’t expect the law to have a significant impact on their business.

Banning smoking from casino bars and restaurants will “level the playing field” with other dining establishments, said Marvin Beatty, a partner in Greektown Casino.

Permitting smoking on the gaming floors will allow Detroit’s casinos to compete with Michigan’s 18 tribal casinos, which are not covered by state law and would be immune from any smoking ban adopted in Lansing.

“There’s no reason why we should lose business and there’s no reason why we should gain any,” Beatty said.

Veterans protest ban

Thousands of Michigan veterans have launched an informal petition drive asking lawmakers to amend the law to exempt private clubs that are not open to the public — such as the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars posts.

About 100 vets from World War II, Korea and Vietnam delivered more than 3,500 signatures Saturday to state Reps. Phillip Pavlov, Douglas Geiss, D-Taylor, and Sarah Roberts, D-St. Clair Shores, during their visit to the Royal Canadian Legion Post No. 84 in Royal Oak, organizers said.

“It worries me because you’re taking away right after right after right,” said Rich Page, 68, a cigar smoker and U.S. Navy veteran from Jenison who is a member of American Legion Post 179 in Grandville.

Pavlov, R-St. Clair Township, said he didn’t support the ban because he considered smoking a personal property right. Although he was there to pick up the petitions, he thinks it’s too soon to propose an amendment — and lawmakers are too busy resolving the state’s budget crises to revisit the smoking issue.

“Smokers and nonsmokers alike have stated they will have a very big issue with sending an 85-year-old World War II veteran, for instance, outside of their private club to 11 Mile to smoke a cigar, pipe or cigarette,” said Steve Mace, 37, first vice commander at the Royal Canadian Legion post in Royal Oak, who helped launch the petition drive.

Source:Detroitnews.com/Karen Bouffard

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/smokedbacon/ smokedbacon

    Oh I take it now a senior citizen in Michigan, basicly imprisoned in a nursing home has been banned from enjoying one of most smallest pleasures in life! Will anti smokers in nursing homes go around letting the air out of wheel chair tires now?
    DON’T FORGET THE BIGGEST EXEMPTION IN OHIO, ALL ABOUT HEALTH? Why are nursing homes allowed designated smoking areas in Ohio? Yea people recovering from stroke, heart attacks, surgery, you name it but according to the AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY/SMOKE FREE OHIO thats ok? I guess perhaps the ACS wants to keep grabbing at the estates they can steal from the elderly! But the way according to the law written by the ACS/Smoke Free Ohio, no health care provider will be required to attend to a patient while they are in a designated smoking area! Permission given to a nurse or aid to watch a person die, after falling, or perhaps a reaction to a wrong drug aministered to that patient! Dang and these people lobbied for Obamas health care makes you wonder don’t it?
    Anyone standing up for the senior citizens in this issue?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/snowbird1/ snowbird1

    Government Power the real health hazard

    The bandwagon of local smoking bans now steamrolling from sea to sea
    has nothing to do with protecting people from the “threat of second-hand
    smoke” but are themselves symptoms of a far more grievous threat: a
    cancer that has been spreading for decades throughout the body politic,
    reaching even the tiniest organs of local government. This cancer is the
    only real hazard involved – the cancer of unlimited government power.

    The issue is not whether second-hand smoke is a real danger or a phantom
    menace but rather, if it were harmful, what would be the proper reaction?
    Should anti-smoking activists satisfy themselves with educating people
    about the potential danger and allow them to make their own decisions,
    or should they seize the power of government and force people to make
    the “right” decision?

    It seems they’ve made their choice. Loudly billed as measures that only
    affect “public places,” they have actually targeted private places: restaurants,
    bars, nightclubs, shops, and offices – places whose owners are free to set
    anti-smoking rules or whose customers are free to go elsewhere if they don’t
    like the smoke. Some local bans even harass smokers outdoors.

    The decision to smoke or to avoid “second-hand” smoke, should be made by
    each individual according to his own values and assessment of the risks.
    This is the same kind of decision free people make regarding every aspect of
    their lives: how much to spend or invest, whom to befriend or love, whether
    to go to college or get a job, whether to get married or divorced, and so on.

    All these decisions involve risks; some may have harmful consequences or
    invite disapproval from others. But the individual must be free to make these
    decisions because his life belongs to him, not to others, and only his own
    judgment can guide him through it.

    Yet when it comes to smoking, this freedom is under attack. Smokers are
    a minority, practicing a habit often considered annoying and unpleasant to
    the majority. So the majority has simply commandeered the power of
    government and used it to dictate their behaviour.

    That is why these bans are far more threatening than few stray whiffs of
    tobacco smoke while waiting for a table at your favourite restaurant. The
    anti-smoking crusaders point in exaggerated alarm at those tiny wisps while
    they unleash the systematic and unlimited intrusion of government into our lives.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/trebclef/ trebclef

    Smoking has been banned in 37 other states including New York and California, countries like England, France and Ireland for many years. Why is smoking not cancerous, doesn’t cause emphysema and damage to soft tissue such as the larnyx, esophagus, and tear ducts in Michigan? Why isn’t second hand smoke more dangerous to the non-smokers than to the smokers in Michigan? Is there a magic veil of non-logic over Michigan? Why is smoking safe around children in Michigan?

    Why is burning leaves in public places ok in Michigan? Why is emitting tars and toxic chemicals into the nostrils of people trying to breathe ok in Michigan?

    Smoking should be legal in Michigan, the only thing that should be illegal should be exhaling… The negative part of the smoking ban is we’re going to be putting companies who sell oxygen tanks and cancer wards out of business!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/trebclef/ trebclef

    ps. what is a more precious right?

    the right to release toxins into the air, satisfy an urge for stimulation because of a deficiency/abnormality or the the right to breathe?

    if we were made to smoke our nostrils would have been installed upside down so at least we use our noses for a double-barreled pipe.

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